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  • jjue
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    Webby, Here is a link on how I used the Zero binding which is a clone of the Line FFpro binding to tour with the toe in the heel bale . The hardwire cartridge type telemark bindings provided more lateral support. When I used the softer cable spring telemark bindings I got some unwanted side to side play on climbing . I think this will be prevented by using the Voile strap under the springs and around the toe . After trying the way you did with the line ff pro front bale as a heel elevator , I settled on using the front bale behind the rear heel plate as detailed in the post. It did work pretty well.
    https://forums.skiboardsonline.com/f...nd-trip-report

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  • Webby
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    thank you jjue and noobie. luckily, i have plenty of time to tinker with this. i like the heel lift you added, which would allow me to use the toe bail along with the voile spring. i was also looking into attaching something to keep the toe bail in place under the boot. i suppose it wouldn't be that great of an idea to move the whole toe piece a few notches to decrease the lift, then move it back when transitioning...a bit too much work.

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  • jjue
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    Sorry Webby, I see you are using my original method of reversing the boot in the binding and using the toe in the heel bale. This is possible in the Line Ff pro binding but not the receptors and you may be ok without the strap. However for extra security you still may wish to put a strap under your boot around the straps and over the top of the boot.

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  • jjue
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    Hi Webby, A few points . Remember to use the Voile strap around the front of the boot and the cables, otherwise the front bale will tend to pop loose from the boot on climbing . The Voile strap is really important., don't just use the cable without the strap. Yes I used line front bale as a heel elevator as you are doing with a line FF pro binding , Like Newbie2011 says it does lead to a pretty high heel elevation and would only be used on very steep climbing , not all the time but you can try that and see if it works for you It does hold the weight and there is no damage to the bale but it does tend to flop backwards again sometimes on climbing , also I have a larger boot then you and the front bale did not catch the front lever like it does with your smaller boot and so the bale moved around alot without anything really holding it in place.

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  • newbie2011
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    Originally posted by Webby View Post
    Picture as described in previous post
    Isn't that too steep an angle, wouldn't you be too much on your toes ? It also looks like the boot would have to always be in the same lean angle, forward lean would be prevented by the binding, looks like it's grabbing the front of the boot very tight, doesn't seem to allow any play.

    I would also be concerned about too much weight on the toe binding piece, that joint under the middle of the boot seem to hold your whole weight, it probably cannot break but the arms of the toe bail might bent, don't you think ?

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  • Webby
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    Picture as described in previous post


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  • Webby
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    jjue - this is excellent stuff! I have wanted to start exploring back country for a while, just haven't had the chance yet. I saw your original post using the Line bindings, and grabbed the voile telemark spring cables. I feel like I have a mod that may only work for others like me that have smaller feet (24.5 boots). I am curious as to your thoughts on this set up. With this setup, I flip the skiboard so that the toe of my boot fits into the heel bail of the receptor, and the toe bail is used as a heel lifter under the boot. Wondering if you have experienced any issues with the spring cables where your heel shifts left/right? The concern with the toe bail under foot with any shifting left/right is that a step down may miss the toe bail?

    Again, I have not tried this, only put it together in the house, but looking at gathering the required equipment to put it to use next season. Thank you!

    Will add a picture in next post.

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  • jjue
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    Here is a shopping list and links for the Receptor touring modification . All easily purchased and used with your Receptor binding and skiboard with no drilling or custom modifications .
    In this picture I show the completed touring modification. The crampon and crampon receiver in front of the toe is not necessary for most applications and a simple Skeats strap on mini crampon will usually be sufficient if crampons are needed.
    IMG_20210117_095228942 by Jack Jue Jr, on Flickr
    Understand that backcountry skiboarding is a high risk activity and I recommend you take avalanche courses , purchase additional avalanche gear such as beacons , shovels and probes and go with experienced backcountry riders. Also this a personal modification that you choose to use on your skiboards accepting all risks inherent with equipment failure and backcountry risks . This is not a manufacture recommended use of your binding or these binding parts and is only a binding modification I have done myself for my own use and am sharing with the skiboard public for their own education as to possible personal ways of modifying their bindings for backcountry use.

    A pair of 20 inch Voile Straps https://www.voile.com/aluminum-buckle-straps.html
    A pair of Sidethrow heel and Spring units https://www.voile.com/voile-telemark-binding-parts.html
    58 mm climbing bales (this comes as a pair) https://www.voile.com/voile-3-pin-ca...ing-wires.html
    Four M6 x1.0 25mm long machine screws and Four M6 flange nuts from the hardware store ( to attach heel elevator to receptor binding)
    Climbing skins ( I recommend these- choose the width closest to width of your skiboard at the waist) https://skiskinsonline.com/shop-bsmp/og-ski-skin/
    A set of Skeats strap on mini crampons http://www.skincleats.com/new-produc...tainless-steel

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  • jjue
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    Here is a report testing the binding in the backcountry :
    https://forums.skiboardsonline.com/f...ouring-binding
    I do recommend keeping the side tension cable very tight. It is best to just remove the cable when going downhill rather then leaving it attached.
    This is easy to do. Transitions are simple ,just remove voile strap, unsnap front lever, remove cables and then just snap back in as usual while leaving the skins attached to prevent the skiboard from moving around . Then skins are easily removed while you are snapped in.

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  • Steeps
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    Nice one! Hmm, that's a reasonable option for mounting brakes to Receptors, maybe. I'd have to look at some aftermarket brakes to see. I've wanted to do that for a while so that I can ditch the leashes (also would come in handy for any touring mod with releasable bindings).

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  • jjue
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    Here is a photo of heel elevator installed.

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  • jjue
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    The heel elevator that comes bundled with the Voile spring tension cable for 30 dollars( 60 dollars for the pair you will need) and the 58 mm climbing wires for 10 bucks and a pair of 20 cm Voile straps is all you need to complete this receptor mod ,super inexpensive for a competent touring binding adaptation. No drilling and no custom work!
    The packaged heel elevator just bolts into the receptor base with 25 mm M6 x1.0 machine screws into M6 Flange nuts placed under the middle slot in the receptor plate. The heel elevator pad is perfectly flush with the Receptor heel plate like it was custom made. Sweet!!
    Picture in next post.

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  • jjue
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    The heel lifter I think that will work has an 8mm plate and comes packaged with spring tension cables from Voile . You. can also special order the plate itself . Then you need the 58mm climbing wire also . I think this heel lifter should work with all boots . 8mm is about the height of the receptor heel plate. and is lower then the heel plate I am using in the above pictures. I have bought this new heel plate and will test it out when it comes in to make sure it works with all boots. Attachment should be the same with a M6 screw (shorter, I will determine the length) and a M6 flange nut , This heel lifter is meant to be drilled into a ski and the holes in the plastic part may need to be enlarged a bit to fit the M6 screw but I will work this out as soon as I get the part in .
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    https://www.voile.com/voile-sidethro...ring-unit.html
    ​​​​​​https://www.voile.com/voile-3-pin-ca...ing-wires.html

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  • jjue
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    Pictures with my Alpine boot and AT boot showing heel lifter clearance issue

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  • jjue
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    Boot comparability issue with heel lifter
    I was testing my regular downhill boot with the Spiltboard heel and it doesn't work because the lift plate is higher than the receptor heel piece . My AT boot has an arched foot sole which allows the heel elevator to fit. Pictures follow. I think there is another heel plate that will work. I will explain in another post below.

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