DPS Phantom - Permanent Wax System

[newbie2011]

so when talking to the guys at DPS they assured me many times by saying as long as it gets put on the bases, a half assed application(we were very informal) is still better than nothing. They pretty much guaranteed that the bases would be soaking it up with no issues at all. I only have it on black based bottoms. Such a great glide even in the lift line which is where the first formula had a hiccup. I was looking for a good deal on some because I have 2 possibly 3 pairs that I would like to put the treatment on.

On multi-colored bases it was hard to judge the proper quantity of product to apply, the visual feedback was misleading, the bases will soak as much as you put on them. In winter I got a good deal so was able to buy 3 boxes and apply on several boards, but I went 2 boxes for 3 boards because of their width and the concern of not applying too small a quantity of product.

Now looking forward to the winter to see how they behave

[mvhoffman]

Looking closely at the bases, it looks to me they have a translucent layer at the top, in order to see-through the graphics underneath. It seems like this translucent layer keeps some whiteness in places, not really whiteness, it's rather it's own texture showing, and there was no significant change even after adding some thin (transparent) liquid wax. So I guess it's the way this layer behaves and there should be nothing to worry about.

so when talking to the guys at DPS they assured me many times by saying as long as it gets put on the bases, a half assed application(we were very informal) is still better than nothing. They pretty much guaranteed that the bases would be soaking it up with no issues at all. I only have it on black based bottoms. Such a great glide even in the lift line which is where the first formula had a hiccup. I was looking for a good deal on some because I have 2 possibly 3 pairs that I would like to put the treatment on.

Let me also recommend giga glide pro for a quick top dressing. one application lasts up to 10 ski days. I can verify it at least lasts 7 on man made snow. Great experience with them as well.

[newbie2011]

Looking closely at the bases, it looks to me they have a translucent layer at the top, in order to see-through the graphics underneath. It seems like this translucent layer keeps some whiteness in places, not really whiteness, it's rather it's own texture showing, and there was no significant change even after adding some thin (transparent) liquid wax. So I guess it's the way this layer behaves and there should be nothing to worry about.

[newbie2011]

this was my exact experience with the new DPS. there was no shine at all and I actually called DPS and spoke to their lead brand manager and lead engineer in regards to this. They were both very nice and explained completely that the properties of their wax system fully bond and cure into the base. They also explained that their system does bond onto wax so if you wanted the shiny look you could wax over it or even just take a green pad and wipe the wax with it and use it as a buffer pad. so how you buff your skis after you wax with a pad, just use that from time to time to keep up the shine.

I used mine with both the buffed bottom phantom and the regular bottom phantom and did not notice a difference either way.

That's reassuring, thank you ! During the curing process there were some clouds briefly passing by (a couple of minutes at the most a few times, after about 40 min of cure ) and I was wondering if it messed up the cure process. Not bothered by the lack of shine, I'll be occasionally applying some liquid wax on top and buff it appropriately if I'm in the mood to over do it

By the way, have you noticed any difference in result between black bases and multi-colored ones ? My first attempt was on Spruce 125 and afterwards they look like in the DPS demo, no shine but uniformly black bases. Today on RCs, KTPs and SII - all bases looked drier after using base cleaner - I found that first of all, they seemed to absorb more of the product (two DPS boxes for these 3 pairs), but despite that, at the end I could still see some small whitish spots, although I was careful to apply uniformly the Phantom thing. As if some places, bases are still kind of dry, which I don't really understand.

Worst case I could buy some more DPS and apply an extra layer to get rid of those dry spots, do you think there would be any problem with this ? I haven't read anything as to potential problems in using too much product, I'm rather worried that my bases did not get enough somehow ...

[mvhoffman]

Is it me or the new formula is inconspicuously "stealthy" ? As in at the end of the process it doesn't look like much happened? The boards are slightly shinier but not freshly-polished-wax shine. I guess it's normal but it leaves me a bit unsure of my application and the quantity applied - the liquid was very runny and some went over the edge of the boards, didn't noticed they were not laid perfectly flat.

For wide boards like RCs, I guess it's better to use a full box, isn't it ? At 110x16cm it's quite close to the surface area of a 1.8m ski ...

this was my exact experience with the new DPS. there was no shine at all and I actually called DPS and spoke to their lead brand manager and lead engineer in regards to this. They were both very nice and explained completely that the properties of their wax system fully bond and cure into the base. They also explained that their system does bond onto wax so if you wanted the shiny look you could wax over it or even just take a green pad and wipe the wax with it and use it as a buffer pad. so how you buff your skis after you wax with a pad, just use that from time to time to keep up the shine.

I used mine with both the buffed bottom phantom and the regular bottom phantom and did not notice a difference either way.

[newbie2011]

Is it me or the new formula is inconspicuously "stealthy" ? As in at the end of the process it doesn't look like much happened? The boards are slightly shinier but not freshly-polished-wax shine. I guess it's normal but it leaves me a bit unsure of my application and the quantity applied - the liquid was very runny and some went over the edge of the boards, didn't noticed they were not laid perfectly flat.

For wide boards like RCs, I guess it's better to use a full box, isn't it ? At 110x16cm it's quite close to the surface area of a 1.8m ski ...

[newbie2011]

Remember it works by UV so :

>>Apply on a clear sunny day with temps in the mid 70s or higher -- I left it 3 hours. <<

One pack did 1 RVL8 KTP and 1 RVL8 Rockered Condor

That's exactly my plan for the same boards, managed to buy some DPS during the winter, have left the skiboards unwaxed at the end of the season, will do the clean-up before applying.

Regarding the UV and temps, would you guys say summer sun and higher temps (30+Celsius) would be better? Or rather do it late spring, +/-25 Celsius and err on the side of leaving them a bit longer in the sun ?

[Steeps]

One day this 73 year old Geezer will get north of the border and show you DPS Phantom - --but you shouldn't wait -- one time application in one hour and can do 2 pair of RVL8 Skiboards with one package.

Get those Playmakers Phantomed - -

I saw youtube videos of your mountain with world championships from the top by helicopter - -both snowboard and skis with men and women standing on a scary thin slice of snow with giant steeps and chutes. Pure powder jumps -- just amazing!!

Keep sharing videos and one day we will have a caravan driving to Kicking Horse for a Skiboard event!!!

https://youtu.be/djonu4nYcCM winning run at Kicking Horse FreeRide World Tour

Did you see the winning run from this year? The scale of that pyramid in real life is just insanity. Snow conditions and coverage have been garbage this season, so those rocky sections would have been total shark pits. Sticking the landing on that back flip....? hooooboy.

I know a better areas of the resort to ride, though.

Would love to see a gathering up here sometime!

[Baldybob]

Remember it works by UV so :

>>Apply on a clear sunny day with temps in the mid 70s or higher -- I left it 3 hours. <<

One pack did 1 RVL8 KTP and 1 RVL8 Rockered Condor

[Hobbes]

Thanks for the replies.

Ordered a kit!

[shortydude]

This was my second season with DPS applied and still no complaints or regrets.

[Baldybob]

DPS Phantom??

I wouldn't get off the chairlift without it!!

Worked at Tahoe for Shredfest 2023 in deep powder. Works at Baldy and Mtn High locally in manmade hardpack to the deepest snowfall in SoCal in history.

Apply on a clear sunny day with temps in the mid 70s or higher -- I left it 3 hours.

One box will do 2 pair of RVL8 SkiBoards or 1 snowboard or 1 pair of long skis.

Clean the base if it gets dirty --as noted in the instructions - -use a microfiber cloth- - I also carry Zardoz Base Build in my pocket.

I did use it at lunch after feeling sticky powder patches under my boots only at Northstar in deep slushy powder.

Powder at Heavenly before that and after at Kirkwood didn't stick - -the glide is super and consistent.

I am now a soft boot proponent and unpaid advertiser for DPS Phantom.

[Hobbes]

Baldybob / shortydude / @mvhoffman

Hey guys! Do you guys have end of season reviews for DPS Phantom? Getting ready to wax my boards for off-season storage, and really thinking about doing this instead.

Thanks!

[Baldybob]

One day this 73 year old Geezer will get north of the border and show you DPS Phantom - --but you shouldn't wait -- one time application in one hour and can do 2 pair of RVL8 Skiboards with one package.

Get those Playmakers Phantomed - -

I saw youtube videos of your mountain with world championships from the top by helicopter - -both snowboard and skis with men and women standing on a scary thin slice of snow with giant steeps and chutes. Pure powder jumps -- just amazing!!

Keep sharing videos and one day we will have a caravan driving to Kicking Horse for a Skiboard event!!!

https://youtu.be/djonu4nYcCM winning run at Kicking Horse FreeRide World Tour

[Steeps]

This sounds better all the time... will have to get off my butt and try it sometime. I now have one skier buddy who can out-speed me on the fast groom-ish runs (we rarely get good corduroy, so anything without actual moguls is a groomer) and need something to get my edge back. He wins on pure physics and my metabolism won't let me gain the mass needed to match him; Phantom sounds better than wearing spandex to cut my wind resistance.

I still win on the steeps.