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  • DPS Phantom - Permanent Wax System

    Have any of you tried the DPS Phantom Permanent Wax System? It sounds like one of those too-good-to-be-true hoaxes. The only youtubes I've found on it are by vendors. I'm skeptical, but intrigued.

    edit: I've got a pair of woody Sherpa's that I plan on keeping for a very long time and don't mind investing in my favorite sticks with my favorite graphics. I'll be in Park City in about a week may look into getting a machine base grind and DPS applied.

    My question is about what angles to have ground on my Sherpa edges. I'm thinking maybe 1 or 2 degree up from a level base, then a 90 degree edge angle to stay sharp longest. Thoughts?

  • #2
    DPS Phantom was discussed a bit some years ago when it first got out: https://forums.skiboardsonline.com/f...ent-base-glide
    Would be curious to hear more recent feedback
    Myself: RVL8 2011 KTP, Spruce 125 LE, Spruce 2016 Osprey
    Daughter: Twoowt Pirania 95cm; RVL8 2015 Blunt XL; RVL8 2021 SII
    Previously: RVL8 2010 Revolt Trees, RVL8 2014 Condor, RVL8 2009 ALPdors, Spruce 120 Yellow/Red

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    • #3
      The thread in the reply was started by my friend Tom. He purchased it in the startup campaign and did all of the skis for his household. He is still using the same skis with the treatment on and has not had any issues. I tried the crossbows that he did(approx 2.5 years afterwards) and I can personally attest to the feeling of a freshly waxed ski. Another member on here purchased them and to this day has not waxed once and they still feel good.
      2018 Spruce "Woody" Sherpa with Marker Griffon 13 DM Track
      2011 Spruce "Blue Board" Sherpa with Marker Griffon 13 DM Track
      20?? Spruce Sherpa "White Board" Prototypes w SLR 10 DM Track
      20?? Spruce Sherpa "White Board" Prototypes still in plastic

      2018 "Dave's Face" DLPs
      2016 Blunt XL
      2015 Rockered Condors

      2021 125cm Summit Marauder
      2021 118cm Summit Invertigo

      Spruce Prototype Demo Risers

      Boots: 2008 Salomon SPK Kaos
      2011 Salomon SPK 90

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      • #4
        I was hoping for an update on this product... it seemed like it might contain snake oil when it came out, but glad to hear it seems to keep working. I'm not too picky about wax since I'm not a racer (if you're going too slow, find a steeper run), but a one-time treatment that works well is a great option and better than adding a regular dose hydrocarbons or fluorocarbons to the watershed.

        Any feedback on Phantom in very cold conditions? We had a good -27 C snap here that made the snow feel like styrofoam, and skis just don't slide well at those temps. Very interesting to ski gnar in those conditions; gravity does its job but the snow grabs in unexpected ways. Top speed is less of a concern at those temps, as blasting groomers really brings home the concept of wind chill. I was riding with a buddy that got frostbite on both big toes one of those days, and was out for 3 or 4 weeks until they healed up enough to ski again. Only one turned black, the other one just turned purple. It's a surprisingly common injury here....
        Drop the STICK, ride the SICK!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Steeps View Post
          Any feedback on Phantom in very cold conditions?
          Like you, I'm still a bit skeptical, it always sounded a bit too good to be true, but I trust people on this forum so it seems it's not only snake oil.
          The issue seem to be the application, I've read on other forums that the results were not always the same, the cure of one of the layers needs a lot of time in the sun, so the final result was different for different people.
          I haven't heard of any drawbacks for very cold condition, the negatives I've read were reported in warmish, above zero, spring-ish conditions, people were saying that it was sticky to a certain extent, especially on flat portions

          Myself: RVL8 2011 KTP, Spruce 125 LE, Spruce 2016 Osprey
          Daughter: Twoowt Pirania 95cm; RVL8 2015 Blunt XL; RVL8 2021 SII
          Previously: RVL8 2010 Revolt Trees, RVL8 2014 Condor, RVL8 2009 ALPdors, Spruce 120 Yellow/Red

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          • #6
            Spring snow's pretty sticky anyways, so that might not be the biggest deal if it works well otherwise.
            Drop the STICK, ride the SICK!

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            • #7
              I pulled the trigger on a DPS Phantom treatment for my woody Sherpa's while in Park City a couple of weeks ago.

              Before the trip, I waxed them up with some old Swix wax that I wanted to finally use up. That turned out to be a huge mistake. The Swix felt like mashed potatoes compared to the Hertal's I've been using the past few years. I was having to do a lot of poling to even get away when getting off a lift. After 3 days of skiing the bases were already drying out and turning hazy grey/white.

              One afternoon I dropped the Sherpa's off at a ski shop in the PC base village and picked them up the next day at 10am. They wanted to keep them till noon. But, we compromised on 10am. They have been doing DPS treatments for 3 years without complaints.

              I had them do a machine base/edge grind and the Phantom 2.0 treatment. They also stored my boots, helmet and poles overnight.

              When I picked up the Sherpa's I asked about rock damage core shot down to the P-Tex. They said that's no problem, just drip P-Tex down into the core shot like usual and there's no problem with it not sticking. They said you'll never notice the repair skiing and the skis can be retuned many times without affecting the glide of the DPS.

              The first run was a drastic improvement. When I got off that first lift I didn't have to pole or skate at all to reach runs. In fact for the rest of the trip (next 3) days it was rare that I had to pole along on flats.

              After 3 days of skiing my bases look as dark and pristine as the day I picked them up. Even the subtle machine crosshatching base grind pattern is still visible.

              So far I'm a happy camper with DPS Phantom 2.0.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by shortydude View Post
                After 3 days of skiing my bases look as dark and pristine as the day I picked them up. Even the subtle machine crosshatching base grind pattern is still visible.

                So far I'm a happy camper with DPS Phantom 2.0.
                Sounds very encouraging, I think I'll give it a try, at least on a couple of boards that I use very often. Only have to find a shop that can do a proper application & cure.
                Myself: RVL8 2011 KTP, Spruce 125 LE, Spruce 2016 Osprey
                Daughter: Twoowt Pirania 95cm; RVL8 2015 Blunt XL; RVL8 2021 SII
                Previously: RVL8 2010 Revolt Trees, RVL8 2014 Condor, RVL8 2009 ALPdors, Spruce 120 Yellow/Red

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by newbie2011 View Post
                  Sounds very encouraging, I think I'll give it a try, at least on a couple of boards that I use very often. Only have to find a shop that can do a proper application & cure.
                  If you want to do multiple sets of boards, that would be really pricy at a shop. You may want to consider waiting till summer and doing it yourself. One buddy of mine bought a DPS Phantom 1.0 kit off fleabay for $50 and did it himself during the summer no problem. The current 2.0 kits run $100. That Park City shop charged $160 for the DPS treatment which doesn't include the base grinding and tuning.

                  They had 2 levels of base grinds. They would do it by hand with a belt sander for $45 or with a machine for $80. They said that includes 2 tunes. They tune them once after the base grind then a second time after the DPS treatment.

                  So you can see that having a shop do 2 sets of boards can run the price tag up pretty quickly into full blown sticker shock. Then again Park City is a rather expensive resort all the way around. What used to be a $12-$15 hamburger a few short years ago is now $25.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by shortydude View Post
                    If you want to do multiple sets of boards, that would be really pricy at a shop. You may want to consider waiting till summer and doing it yourself. One buddy of mine bought a DPS Phantom 1.0 kit off fleabay for $50 and did it himself during the summer no problem. The current 2.0 kits run $100. That Park City shop charged $160 for the DPS treatment which doesn't include the base grinding and tuning.
                    I was indeed thinking of doing two boards at first, as I heard the kit it's quite substantial and could cover two skiboards instead of one ski per pack. But didn't imagine applying the treatment in a shop would be so expensive. Heck, instead of two shop treatments one could buy a new pair of skiboards... I'll definitely follow your advice and do it myself over the summer when there's plenty of sun, thanks a lot !

                    Myself: RVL8 2011 KTP, Spruce 125 LE, Spruce 2016 Osprey
                    Daughter: Twoowt Pirania 95cm; RVL8 2015 Blunt XL; RVL8 2021 SII
                    Previously: RVL8 2010 Revolt Trees, RVL8 2014 Condor, RVL8 2009 ALPdors, Spruce 120 Yellow/Red

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                    • #11
                      I just bought a box... only 17 left at outlet price. I shared on Facebook page as well.


                      https://www.campsaver.com/dps-phanto...BoChmMQAvD_BwE
                      2018 Spruce "Woody" Sherpa with Marker Griffon 13 DM Track
                      2011 Spruce "Blue Board" Sherpa with Marker Griffon 13 DM Track
                      20?? Spruce Sherpa "White Board" Prototypes w SLR 10 DM Track
                      20?? Spruce Sherpa "White Board" Prototypes still in plastic

                      2018 "Dave's Face" DLPs
                      2016 Blunt XL
                      2015 Rockered Condors

                      2021 125cm Summit Marauder
                      2021 118cm Summit Invertigo

                      Spruce Prototype Demo Risers

                      Boots: 2008 Salomon SPK Kaos
                      2011 Salomon SPK 90

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                      • #12
                        Thanks for the heads up, I'm trying to get one as well, now waiting to get from them a shipping quote for France.
                        Myself: RVL8 2011 KTP, Spruce 125 LE, Spruce 2016 Osprey
                        Daughter: Twoowt Pirania 95cm; RVL8 2015 Blunt XL; RVL8 2021 SII
                        Previously: RVL8 2010 Revolt Trees, RVL8 2014 Condor, RVL8 2009 ALPdors, Spruce 120 Yellow/Red

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                        • #13
                          I just bought the DPS with the link --thanks for posting - - I will add it to my Baldy boards = 2011 KTPs that are in good shape -- and won't be after a few more years on snowrocks -- that's the Baldy base most days in SoCal. I might have to wait til summer -but expect to review it - -these boards have never had wax, as I have used Zardoz Base Build, a Dupont designed Not Wax. If I have enuf for 2 boards, I'll add the DPS to my 2018 Rockered Condors, which are near new out of the RVL8 box and on call for powder snow in the Sierras.



                          was on Big Foots, Cannons, Klimax Redline, 98 Line MNPs, Line ff cam and bomber bindings - new boards: RVL8 2015 SII, 2011 KTP --24 yrs non released - -skiboarding til 2050!!

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                          • #14
                            Any of you guys have heard back concerning your order ? Mine is still "processing" several days later
                            Myself: RVL8 2011 KTP, Spruce 125 LE, Spruce 2016 Osprey
                            Daughter: Twoowt Pirania 95cm; RVL8 2015 Blunt XL; RVL8 2021 SII
                            Previously: RVL8 2010 Revolt Trees, RVL8 2014 Condor, RVL8 2009 ALPdors, Spruce 120 Yellow/Red

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by newbie2011 View Post
                              Any of you guys have heard back concerning your order ? Mine is still "processing" several days later
                              Mine is in the "ready to be picked up phase". I'm sure it will be shipping this week. They may be a place that does sales all week but only ships out on certain days. apparently some places do that and pay a bulk shipping cost as opposed to separately for each item...
                              2018 Spruce "Woody" Sherpa with Marker Griffon 13 DM Track
                              2011 Spruce "Blue Board" Sherpa with Marker Griffon 13 DM Track
                              20?? Spruce Sherpa "White Board" Prototypes w SLR 10 DM Track
                              20?? Spruce Sherpa "White Board" Prototypes still in plastic

                              2018 "Dave's Face" DLPs
                              2016 Blunt XL
                              2015 Rockered Condors

                              2021 125cm Summit Marauder
                              2021 118cm Summit Invertigo

                              Spruce Prototype Demo Risers

                              Boots: 2008 Salomon SPK Kaos
                              2011 Salomon SPK 90

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