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  • wjeong
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    Originally posted by Wookie View Post
    If it's working for you it's all good. For the Crossbows I would only suggest that anyone new to them ride them with the "stock" set up first and then decide afterwards if then need to be detuned. It's easier to have a stone in your pocket and detune the tips or tails on the hill than it is to "retune" the whole edge.
    -is.
    I did that with my GF's Sticky's. I saw her catch a tip and get slammed. That's when I put up the recent post about detuning.

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  • macrophotog
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    Originally posted by Wookie View Post
    They truly are a wonderful ride with very few bad habits.
    I rode these again for two days while at Westfest - riding them into the tight trees and through all kinds of powder. These easily can be a quiver of one as Jack pointed out. I think these really are a very versatile board with many huge advantages!

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  • valmorel
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    Thanks Bill. If you love them, so would I. [emoji6]

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  • Bill
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    Originally posted by Fun Machine View Post
    Well pretty much any good cambered board rockered or not should have a smoother ride on hard pack than zero camber full rocker boards especially when flat. But I think the Crossbows are even silkier than SIIs which may be a fairer comparison. I'll have to compare the ride against the 120's. If I have anything to complain about these Crossbows it's that they've so far relegated my other boards to sit and collect dust...
    No doubt the Crossbows are a smoother ride than the SII's---which do ride nicely and I'm a fan of. I've certainly ridden many cambered skiboards and long skis that don't ride anywhere near smoothly as the Crossbows, but you're right---comparing them to zero-cambered boards isn't totally fair.

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  • Fun Machine
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    Originally posted by Bill View Post
    One thing I noticed about the Crossbows compared to some of the zero-camber rides is the ride quality. On hardpack, boards like the Osprey, LE, or Blunt XL (all of which I like a lot) can be a little unforgiving. The Crossbows are silky smooth, not unlike 120ís which are the gold standard for this.
    Well pretty much any good cambered board rockered or not should have a smoother ride on hard pack than zero camber full rocker boards especially when flat. But I think the Crossbows are even silkier than SIIs which may be a fairer comparison. I'll have to compare the ride against the 120's. If I have anything to complain about these Crossbows it's that they've so far relegated my other boards to sit and collect dust...

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  • Bill
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    The postman delivered a new pair of Crossbows late last week and I had a chance to give them a whirl the other day. Our local spot is usually icy, but it was warm so the ice was slushy and melting. It doesn’t really matter what the conditions are, I can usually tell if I’m going to like a board or not after a few runs. No question I like this board.

    These were ridden right out of the box with no detuning or base/edge work, center, and with softboots. First ride with a new board, it might have been smarter to use hard boots, but I was hot to try out a redesigned kit. It didn’t matter. The Crossbows have exactly zero bad habits. As with the classic 120---a long-time favorite of mine and something of a benchmark--- there’s no “learning curve” or idiosyncrasies to figure out whatsoever, they feel natural and easy from the get-go.

    Edge hold is sure but not grabby or “hooky”, and they’re quick and maneuver like a shorter board. Turning is effortless, engagement and release are totally predictable. The extended-rise tips and tails ride over clumps and piles easily. I suspect these will perform fine on both ice and deeper snow just fine. There’s no squirrely behavior at certain speeds or in certain circumstances. They seem to be fast and stable at speed, although I’m not the sort who generally goes all that fast. Macrophotog and Sempai would be better qualified to comment on this aspect.

    One thing I noticed about the Crossbows compared to some of the zero-camber rides is the ride quality. On hardpack, boards like the Osprey, LE, or Blunt XL (all of which I like a lot) can be a little unforgiving. The Crossbows are silky smooth, not unlike 120’s which are the gold standard for this.

    It’s a small thing, but one feature I always appreciate on Spruce boards are the solid black bases. It’s so much easier to see exactly what you’re doing when waxing these or doing any other base work. It’s nice to see function trump cosmetics once in a while.

    All the Crossbow reviews coming is so far seem to be positive. Wookie makes a good point, folks shouldn't be afraid to ride these straight out of the box with no modifications. I don’t think anyone who gives them a try will be disappointed.

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  • ysb33r
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    I love how these Crossbows just edge without effort.

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  • Wookie
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    Originally posted by wjeong View Post
    I had to detune a new pair of Opsreys. The edges were so sharp, I couldn't get them to release smoothly for a turn. I had to detune them on the hill. So even a full rocker board may need it. I mentioned that to Jeff. He said he has experienced this also. Your skiing style may also have something to do with the edge engagement. I ride skiboards like skis with poles. Lots of my turns are weight and unweighted turns like skiers do.
    If it's working for you it's all good. For the Crossbows I would only suggest that anyone new to them ride them with the "stock" set up first and then decide afterwards if then need to be detuned. It's easier to have a stone in your pocket and detune the tips or tails on the hill than it is to "retune" the whole edge.

    They truly are a wonderful ride with very few bad habits. I would guess, unless you are tuning to aggressive edge/base angles, that many riders will be fine with them as-is.

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  • wjeong
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    Originally posted by Wookie View Post
    I have ridden my Crossbows straight from Jeff and after a full tune and wax by my local shop. IMHO there is no need to ever detune these. The rocker eliminates any need to do this. I would say if you normally ride hard pack and ice detuning does you a disservice since when you engage the edges you won't have the advantage of the a fully tuned edge.
    I had to detune a new pair of Opsreys. The edges were so sharp, I couldn't get them to release smoothly for a turn. I had to detune them on the hill. So even a full rocker board may need it. I mentioned that to Jeff. He said he has experienced this also. Your skiing style may also have something to do with the edge engagement. I ride skiboards like skis with poles. Lots of my turns are weight and unweighted turns like skiers do.

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  • wjeong
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    Originally posted by ysb33r View Post
    What angle did you set the edges to?

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    I asked Jeff to set the edges at 88 degrees. They were very sharp. I did not check the angle or ride them without detuning. He normally puts a one degree base bevel on them. I think that's why no one may need to detune them.

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  • Wookie
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    Originally posted by Fun Machine View Post
    Did you ride them before detuning them? I have only a few days on Crossbows so far, but I didn't feel the tips catching at all as they are.
    I have ridden my Crossbows straight from Jeff and after a full tune and wax by my local shop. IMHO there is no need to ever detune these. The rocker eliminates any need to do this. I would say if you normally ride hard pack and ice detuning does you a disservice since when you engage the edges you won't have the advantage of the a fully tuned edge.

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  • ysb33r
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    Originally posted by Fun Machine View Post
    Did you ride them before detuning them? I have only a few days on Crossbows so far, but I didn't feel the tips catching at all as they are.
    I have not had either, but I'm curious as I'll probably have them serviced before the next season.

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  • Fun Machine
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    Originally posted by wjeong View Post
    I detuned the tips and tails and never felt any catchiness.
    Did you ride them before detuning them? I have only a few days on Crossbows so far, but I didn't feel the tips catching at all as they are.

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  • ysb33r
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    What angle did you set the edges to?

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  • wjeong
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    Spent the last two days riding the Crossbows. Conditions were hard groomers. Yesterday, I rode them setback. Today, I rode them center mounted. These are great boards. They are much smoother than the LE's and have great edge hold. On this hard snow, I prefer them center mounted. Edge hold is much better center mounted. To really engage the edge setback, I found I had to use a lot more tongue pressure on my boot. These boards are very fast and stable. I asked Jeff to grind the bases flat on these. I don't like base bevels. I detuned the tips and tails and never felt any catchiness. The praise that everyone has given these is true. Jeff has designed another great skiboard.

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