I've been using non-release for the past 7 years. After a few minor yet injuries, (not related to having non-release, just being fat and stupid) I've decided to make the switch. Because I may not be so lucky next time. I'm primarily riding Condors right now, but I'll still probably use my old non-release bindings on my KTPs or on any even shorter boards I may get in the future.
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Boards
Revel8 2011 Condor
Revel8 2009 Revolt "Condor Graphic"
Revel8 2008 KTP
Bindings
Tyrolia Attack 13 on Spruce Risers
Bomber Elite II
Boots
Nordica 2012 Double Six
Salomon 2010 Impact 8 CS
Booze
Crown Royal
Maker's Mark
Tito's Handmade Vodka
Brews
Pabst Blue Ribbon
Bell's Hop Slam
Injuries
2012 - (Left) Torn MCL
2013 - (Right) Torn Deltoid Ligament & Tibial Fracture
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Decker
I have a Spruce risers with Tyrolia bindings, mounted on a set of 110 DLPs. Because of the height of the riser, the brakes seem like they might not be as effective in stopping a loose board, especially with the camber under foot. Should I use leashes as a back up, or is that going over board? I'm new to skiboarding, and thought I'd ask.
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Originally posted by DECKER View PostI have a Spruce risers with Tyrolia bindings, mounted on a set of 110 DLPs. Because of the height of the riser, the brakes seem like they might not be as effective in stopping a loose board, especially with the camber under foot. Should I use leashes as a back up, or is that going over board? I'm new to skiboarding, and thought I'd ask.
First welcome to the sport and the forum. To your question using leashes and brakes is a bit like belts and suspenders in that you can do it but really don't need both. The brakes on the Spruce risers should work just fine and will keep you in compliance with the safety rules of most resorts. The reality with brakes on skiboards (or skis) is that sometimes they do very little to stop a runaway ski or skiboard on hard snow. If the board gets on its side or the brakes can't dig in they may slide away. If you are really worried about losing a skiboard you can add the leashes but in 3+ seasons on skiboards I have yet to have one get too far away after the bindings released.
To complicate it there are two caveats to consider:
- If you are riding in powder leashes are a good idea. While the brakes may stop a rogue board they do nothing to help you find it buried in the pow. I lost a board in pow once and spent some time digging to find it. So on a powder day you want to consider leashes.
- If a board releases on the chair lift, brakes aren't much help and you are in for a walk to your lost board. There are plenty of guys on the forum that have recounted where leashes have saved them when a board released on the lift or was kicked off by a fellow lift passenger.
In summary, the riser should not prevent the brakes from working but there are other reasons to think about leashes. It is belts and suspenders but not without benefits.Boards:
2016 Spruce tuned Head Jr. Caddys - 131cm
2013 Spruce "CTS" 120s
2010 Spruce "Yellow/Red" 120s
2018 Spruce "CTS" Crossbows - 115cm
2016 RVL8 Spliffs - 109cm
2008 RVL8 Revolt "City" - 105cm
2017 RVL8 Sticky Icky Icky - 104cm
2011 Defiance Blades - 101cm
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Originally posted by DECKER View PostI have a Spruce risers with Tyrolia bindings, mounted on a set of 110 DLPs. Because of the height of the riser, the brakes seem like they might not be as effective in stopping a loose board, especially with the camber under foot. Should I use leashes as a back up, or is that going over board? I'm new to skiboarding, and thought I'd ask.
Even on steep hills I have found that getting back into the binding is not a problem. If you really need to, sit down and push the heel piece back into position.
If you are thinking coil leashes, here's a video showing them in action.
Current: '20 Spruce Slingshot 119s, '20 Spruce Crossbow 115s, '18 Spruce Osprey 132s (touring), '21 Rvl8 SII 104s, '21 Summit Invertigos 118s
Also: '11 Allz Elaila 94s, '12 Rvl8 Rockered Condor 110s, '15 Spruce Osprey 132s , '18 Spruce Crossbow 115s
Previous: Gaspo Hot Wax 84s, Mantrax 98s, Summit Nomad 99s, Spruce Yellow 120s, Eman Uprise 104s
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Originally posted by DECKER View PostI have a Spruce risers with Tyrolia bindings, mounted on a set of 110 DLPs. Because of the height of the riser, the brakes seem like they might not be as effective in stopping a loose board, especially with the camber under foot. Should I use leashes as a back up, or is that going over board? I'm new to skiboarding, and thought I'd ask.
I like the coil leashes too like ysb33r. I have only had a few releases with them with no problems.In pursuit of Peace, Harmony and Flow.....
Think Like a Mountain
Boards ridden, some owned: Sherpas, Spruce 120 "STS", Blunts, DS110 custom prototypes, Rockered Condors, Revolts, DLPs, Summit Custom 110s, Summit Marauders, Head 94s, Raptor prototypes, Osprey prototypes.
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Originally posted by Bluewing View PostI like the coil leashes too like ysb33r. I have only had a few releases with them with no problems.Current: '20 Spruce Slingshot 119s, '20 Spruce Crossbow 115s, '18 Spruce Osprey 132s (touring), '21 Rvl8 SII 104s, '21 Summit Invertigos 118s
Also: '11 Allz Elaila 94s, '12 Rvl8 Rockered Condor 110s, '15 Spruce Osprey 132s , '18 Spruce Crossbow 115s
Previous: Gaspo Hot Wax 84s, Mantrax 98s, Summit Nomad 99s, Spruce Yellow 120s, Eman Uprise 104s
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Decker
So, if I decide to use the same risers/bindings, on the DLPs and the Blunts, should I remove the brakes? Also, can I mount the coiled leashes directly to the Spruce risers, since there aren't many binding/leash mount options.
You guys are a wealth of knowledge.
Thanks.
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Originally posted by DECKER View PostSo, if I decide to use the same risers/bindings, on the DLPs and the Blunts, should I remove the brakes?
Originally posted by DECKER View PostAlso, can I mount the coiled leashes directly to the Spruce risers, since there aren't many binding/leash mount options.Boards:
2016 Spruce tuned Head Jr. Caddys - 131cm
2013 Spruce "CTS" 120s
2010 Spruce "Yellow/Red" 120s
2018 Spruce "CTS" Crossbows - 115cm
2016 RVL8 Spliffs - 109cm
2008 RVL8 Revolt "City" - 105cm
2017 RVL8 Sticky Icky Icky - 104cm
2011 Defiance Blades - 101cm
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Originally posted by Wookie View PostSome guys drill a small hole for leash attachment in the riser and run a coil ring (key ring type) through it to attach their leashes to. When I do use leashes I attach to the heal lever on my bindings as there is a hole there to clip to but I know that not models/years of the bindings have that hole.Current: '20 Spruce Slingshot 119s, '20 Spruce Crossbow 115s, '18 Spruce Osprey 132s (touring), '21 Rvl8 SII 104s, '21 Summit Invertigos 118s
Also: '11 Allz Elaila 94s, '12 Rvl8 Rockered Condor 110s, '15 Spruce Osprey 132s , '18 Spruce Crossbow 115s
Previous: Gaspo Hot Wax 84s, Mantrax 98s, Summit Nomad 99s, Spruce Yellow 120s, Eman Uprise 104s
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Originally posted by DECKER View PostOk, but removing the brakes doesn't effect the operation of the release mechanism, right? I've never deconstructed brakes on bindings, it doesn't look that difficult to do.Boards:
2016 Spruce tuned Head Jr. Caddys - 131cm
2013 Spruce "CTS" 120s
2010 Spruce "Yellow/Red" 120s
2018 Spruce "CTS" Crossbows - 115cm
2016 RVL8 Spliffs - 109cm
2008 RVL8 Revolt "City" - 105cm
2017 RVL8 Sticky Icky Icky - 104cm
2011 Defiance Blades - 101cm
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Originally posted by DECKER View PostOk, but removing the brakes doesn't effect the operation of the release mechanism, right? I've never deconstructed brakes on bindings, it doesn't look that difficult to do.
I know it's an added expense, but I would get two set ups rather than mess with the binding screws.Just these, nothing else !
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Be careful. If you remove the brakes, you must replace the housing, the pad the heel of your boot rests on in the binding. This is essential. You have to remove the housing, almost always held in place by a single screw in the middle. Remove the brake legs from the housing, and refit the housing.Crossbow (go to dream board)
Most everything else over time.
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Originally posted by DECKER View PostSo, if I decide to use the same risers/bindings, on the DLPs and the Blunts, should I remove the brakes? Also, can I mount the coiled leashes directly to the Spruce risers, since there aren't many binding/leash mount options.
You guys are a wealth of knowledge.
Thanks.
Brakes on Blunt - they will not clear the board so simply rest of the board surface when the binding is released.
Leash photos - a few photos of my leash attachment. This is only 1 way to do it. I have an older model of the Head (Tyrolia) SL100 bindings and my daughter has a new model. Mine done have a hole in the heel tab but do have slots. Her has a hole. In both cases I simply slipped a loop of parachute cord through and knotted it off. To connect the coil leash which has a cord loop on one end and a clasp on the other I loop the coil leash through the parachute cord loop on the binding heel. To connect the leash clap I put a loop of parachute cord around the metal post of an upper boot buckle and then clip on to that. The only downside to that attachment point is that in the event of a really hard pull from the leash the post can get bent and/or that buckle can come undone. I figure at that point I have bigger things to worry about because of the energy of the crash.
As noted in the thread you can also drill a hole in the back of the riser platform and use that as the leash attachment point. The hole I show here was drilled for other purposes. You can use a split ring to then attach to. Use a sturdy one though since a few people have actually had split rings get stretched apart in crashes.
Brake removal - this is what valmorel is talking about - in many models of bindings the brake arms are part of the heel pad piece that sits under the boot heel when it is secured in the binding. You can't simply take this out because your boot heel has no place to rest then when in the binding.
In pursuit of Peace, Harmony and Flow.....
Think Like a Mountain
Boards ridden, some owned: Sherpas, Spruce 120 "STS", Blunts, DS110 custom prototypes, Rockered Condors, Revolts, DLPs, Summit Custom 110s, Summit Marauders, Head 94s, Raptor prototypes, Osprey prototypes.
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decker
Great pics of your setup. I'd rather not remove the heel piece, leaving the brakes on for now seems to make sense, along with using the coiled leashes.
Also, I picked up new boots that are a longer boot length then the Peak 11 bindings are set at now. Can I reset the boot length myself or should I take it to a shop? The bindings are set at 296mm now, the new boot length is 308mm.
Thanks.
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