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  • mary
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    Okay. Thanks everyone. Any success stories from people who use a direct mount and not a riser?

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  • CANtoo
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    My husband and I have been using the Spruce riser setup for over 8 years, and they've worked perfectly since the day we got them from Jeff. We only use these bindings with Spruce or Revel8 boards.

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I317 using Tapatalk

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  • Bad Wolf
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    Originally posted by mary View Post
    Do you know of any problems that have been a result of risers? And if anyone here uses them regularly, how have the ones sold here worked?
    I have used release, non release and direct fix bindings purchased from both sites. They all have their pros and cons, which vary with personal preference. I have not encountered any quality or operational issues with any of the products.

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  • wjeong
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    Originally posted by mary View Post
    Do you know of any problems that have been a result of risers? And if anyone here uses them regularly, how have the ones sold here worked?
    I have been using the riser for over ten years. There are no issues with the system. I'm still using the first one I bought made of composite instead of aluminum. Doc Roberts is purposely putting out misinformation to further his gain. More than one of his direct mount bindings has had problems with screws pulling out. He had to enlarge the reinforcement plate on his boards to remedy the problem.

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  • mary
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    Originally posted by slow View Post
    Now I know of one direct mount failure. Thanks for the link.
    Do you know of any problems that have been a result of risers? And if anyone here uses them regularly, how have the ones sold here worked?

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  • slow
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    Now I know of one direct mount failure. Thanks for the link.

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  • Gromit
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    Hi Mary

    You may find this thread of interest when weighing up the advantages and disadvantages of Spruce Risers vs direct mount bindings. Summit is skiboards.com's house brand.
    As you may know, ysb33r posts regularly on the forum.

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  • Kocho
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    The board has to be built with a metal layer specifically meant to drill through and attach release bindings like on skis. Otherwise, the bindings screws will pull out from the board. The boards on skiboards.com are built this way, most of the boards on skiboardsonline.com are not (with the exception of the new for this year offerings from Spruce Mountain, which can be ordered with a rail system bindings and not a riser). The difference is in feel: the direct-mounted bindings restrict the ski from bending and that, in my opinion, makes the boards not handle well in certain situations. The larger your boot and the shorter and with a deeper sidecut the skiboard - the more pronounced the negative effects are. Depending on how you ski or the surface, you might or might not notice or mind it. Advantage is that these are a little lighter and a little cheaper. Basically, the riser or a non-release binding have very short contact area with the board, which allows the board to flex and arch when you load in a carving turn - it is impossible to do that with some of the versions with direct-mount release bindings, and that makes the skiboard carve clean turns poorly. The other advantage of the designs with 4x4 and 4x10 inserts is that you buy one Riser with release bindings or non-release bindings and can swap from board to board. Same with the new rail system from Spruce (although it acts like a direct-mount system with some of the flex restrictions, but with the longer boards with a less deep sidecut from Spruce I think that is less of an issue).

    Originally posted by mary View Post
    I'm looking at some release bindings and I have some questions. First, what's the deal with risers? I bought them for mine since that's what's sold here and I have to assume the setup works fairly well, but other sites (skiboards.com in particular) strongly discourage the use of risers saying they're unsafe and void any safety of the release bindings. Another reason I got risers is because they attach easily into the 4x4 pattern. So how do you attach bindings without a riser? What are your opinions/experiences and what do you suggest?

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  • slow
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    Originally posted by mary View Post
    I'm looking at some release bindings and I have some questions. First, what's the deal with risers? I bought them for mine since that's what's sold here and I have to assume the setup works fairly well, but other sites (skiboards.com in particular) strongly discourage the use of risers saying they're unsafe and void any safety of the release bindings. Another reason I got risers is because they attach easily into the 4x4 pattern. So how do you attach bindings without a riser? What are your opinions/experiences and what do you suggest?
    Mary, be very cautious when considering the claims being made by other sites. There is competitive and business relationship history coming into play, rather than reality. If you do a search on this forum, you will be able to find some of the history if you are curious. FWIIW: many of us have been past customers and participants on each of the competitors forums, but over time we have propagated to this forum and product line based on our experiences with both.

    More importantly, many of us who have been using risers for 11 plus years since their introduction without any of the issues claimed by the other sites.

    The most significant benefits of a Spruce riser system are:
    * easy transferability from one pair of skiboards to another (as you pointed out)
    * Maximizes the amount of skiboard flex (this is desirable) with its shorter interface with the skiboard
    * Smoothes the ride over hard crud
    * Inserts that are more robust than screws threaded into thin sheet metal in the skiboard (I have never heard of an insert pulling out of a skiboard)

    The only negatives that I am aware of with the riser system are:
    * the small additional amount of weight associated with the riser. But relative to the weight of your ski boots, it is insignificant.
    * some riders would prefer to mount a different brand binding to the riser

    Here is more information on the riser: http://www.spruceski.com/the-spruce-riser.html

    As for attaching bindings directly to a skiboard without a riser, a reinforcement plate is required because skiboards are thinner than skis and generally have a soft wood core. This thin aluminum reinforcement plate (to thread the mounting screw into) is under the top sheet of the skiboard (like on skiboard.coms products). The robustness of this connection is dependent on a short thread engagement. Having said this, I am not aware of any failures with their product.

    This season Spruce Mountain has introduced a track binding available on the Osprey skiboard that uses an add-on plate mounted above the top sheet to threaded inserts in the skiboard. Note that the skiboard still has inserts (those to mount a riser and extra inserts for the add-on plate) which gives a robust connection to the skiboards. Go to the Spruce Mountain website for more info: http://www.spruceski.com/spruce-130cm-osprey.html

    BTW: It is my understanding that Spruce Mountain is an authorized Head/Tyrolia binding supplier and the riser system conforms to all conditions imposed on them by the binding supplier. The claim of voiding the the safety of the binding is hogwash. (I resisted temptation and wanted to take the high road with my response, but I had to say it. Now you may be starting to appreciate why many of us purchase products from this site not the other.)

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  • beeby11
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    I came across this also. I don't think there is any other option to attach release bindings that use the 4 stud pattern without a riser.

    I have only demo'd a set with non release bindings and they did feel good. But it would always be in the back of my mind that if something does happen they won't release. I have a friend mocking up some risers at the moment for me to try and i would rather use a riser + release binding set up than non release

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  • mary
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    A question about bindings and risers

    I'm looking at some release bindings and I have some questions. First, what's the deal with risers? I bought them for mine since that's what's sold here and I have to assume the setup works fairly well, but other sites (skiboards.com in particular) strongly discourage the use of risers saying they're unsafe and void any safety of the release bindings. Another reason I got risers is because they attach easily into the 4x4 pattern. So how do you attach bindings without a riser? What are your opinions/experiences and what do you suggest?
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